I am a bit depressed this month even the development is going quite well... One of the reason is the increase rate of patrons was lowered and i predict it will stuck at around current number for a while or even dropping. Another reason(and it is actually the bigger reason) is that, it seems my games aren't as popular as i thought.
The reason why i feel this way is a friend who has joined to create adult rpg game not long ago(i think it is around two to three month) has already receiving over $2000 for a month on patreon(which is my dream amount!) and has even more patrons than me now(i think he only starts to receive support for just a month)! While i am really glad for him to receive so much support, it makes me wonder should i continue to create games.(You can view his page at the bottom of my patreon page)
From my opinion, i have spent like over 2 years to develop three games, Survivor Sarah 1, The Green Shadow Rachel and Agent Alona, hoping to build up a reputation to get more downloads and receive greater support. The downloads seems ok on Eng dlsite and the feedback seems mostly positive there. I have also been to some forum that people seems to enjoy playing my games(although scat scenes are complained a lot) and that is the reason i continue. Honestly, i am quite happy for the support i am currently receiving because i think people support me due to they have played my games and think they are enjoyable. But when i compare the amount of patrons with my friend, it just make feel like my games are actually unlikable...
I wouldn't mind if his game is better and more popular than mine and is able to receive more support. However, for his current progress on his game, i am really really shocked that he is able to receive his current amount of support! I have tried his demo and found there seems to be less than 4 events in it. Also, there are much to be added for the system and gameplay. While it has its potential, i just can't believe he is able to gather $2000 support a month and gather 160+ patrons! Yea, i am really jealous about it! But i am not saying he doesn't deserve it but on the contrary, i would like to find out why i cannot receive such amount of support even i have been in this adult game industry for over 2 years while he has worked for no longer than 3 months... Maybe it is time for me to retired and look for other job as i am not actually good at it.
I am now seeking views and feedback on this issue as i cannot think of a reasonable answer for this. I am really really sad at the moment...
hey!
ReplyDeletefirst of all i would be really sad if you stop :(
you have a talent and as far as i could see, your patreon amount 3 month ago was less than 1k or am i wrong ? you should prioritize on your way up and not on others :)
a few hints why i think his donators are increasing so fast (just a guess):
#1 he is more or less active on ulmf.org presenting his game
#2 he has some nice limited patreon rewards creating individuel things for a higher amount of donation.
#3 the 3d art is amazing
#4 he is new and ppl have high hopes in something fresh
#5 something i can only tell for myself is: he is building up a real world which is for the player a more humilating experience than a fantasy world with zombies. and in ss2 sarah is like "ok i will blow you for groceries, no problem" ^^ that's why i was looking forward to anne's story.
#6 ofc the scat/piss.
#7 maybe ppl dislike the superhero or fantasy setup. can't tell
#8 and thats maybe my personal view: in his game. (played the demo) the character goes step by step deeper into the sexuel aspect of the game while your character (especially in ss2) shows off everything from the beginning. it should be a slowly increased process.... in my opinion.
but never the less. your battle system is WAY better. (i know hes working on it)
and agent alona is a masterpiece (except the scat scenes :D ) try to work on your dialogues. thats a huge aspect of feeling the humiliation. and maybe (i dont know if it's possible on rpgxp) some sort of animated 3d art. and fresh characters.
have a nice day, man!
Thank you for your opinion. But if what you said is true, i actually shouldn't continue the story of my old games. Instead, i should improve my 3d art, create a new character and open new a title. Moreover, i should change my name and pretend like a new author and see if people like the demo. If the feedback is great then i may continue the work. If it is bad, i should do the same thing again. I know it is a weird idea and this is the only thing that come to my mind.
DeleteI really like your games and have enjoyed playing all of them! My personal favorite though would be The green Shadow. This game just pushed all of my buttons. I'm not saying that AA was bad. I really liked it, I just liked Rachel more as a character and her storie more as a setting. (Superhero having to do these things to save people/do what needs to be done > Female Agent doing what I think female agents do :P
ReplyDeleteI don't know if the thing with the new creator is true because I am not interested in pledging in Patreon so I wouldn't know how people there are thinking ;)
#2 he has some nice limited patreon rewards creating individuel things for a higher amount of donation.
-I can second that. He manages to get a lot of money while having 28 people on 1$ all because his amounts/rewards are better
-For me those games are all about the humiliation. I don't know why but his game really makes me want to make the character suffer :P Last time I had that was with Rachel :/ I think I took away a lot of fun from AA by playing all the versions during developement.
While you are following through with your plan for the world you've created I don't know if telling the story like that was beneficial.(Going from SS to the prequell in AA and back to ss2)
#8 and thats maybe my personal view: in his game. (played the demo) the character goes step by step deeper into the sexuel aspect of the game while your character (especially in ss2) shows off everything from the beginning.
-I can only second that.
His dialogues are better than yours. But no wonders here... he is from England so he should be able to transfer what he wants to say better than you.
I also think that his patreon page has more information about the game while yours has more information about finished games. Give a short intro to the story, the character and so on. It should be like an advertisement for your game.
The rewards isn't the real problem. While i believe, my game still has better gameplay currently, he is just getting more patrons than me simply.
DeleteI have created games and that didn't help? I also said there will be 3 parts in SS2. Once, it goes to second part of the game. It will be like The Green Shadow again that you need to level and gather better gears to go on. And there will be adventure in villages and other parts in the forest too.
I guess i have enough of this. The next month is probably the last month i will work on SS2.
I wrote something in the new post... what would you do if you stopped working on SS2? would you stop making games or just move on to another game?
DeleteYou are way too good to lose as a developer :/
The main reason is your games contain; scat, guro and shota. Most people don't like these things in their H games (I believe shota is even illegal in the US). Many people have come to associate your games with these and they stay away. Your friends game does not include any of these.
ReplyDeleteTRUE. stop making this shitt and cruelty and it will be opposite way. You want income here for west part of the world but you still didn't get - scat, guro and other shitt is NOT that popular as in Japan or other countries on the east. So it is not suprisingly people prefer other games without that stuff. and you focus on scat and other shitt mainly.
DeleteTRUE. stop making this shitt and cruelty and it will be opposite way. You want income here for west part of the world but you still didn't get - scat, guro and other shitt is NOT that popular as in Japan or other countries on the east. So it is not suprisingly people prefer other games without that stuff. and you focus on scat and other shitt mainly.
DeleteWhile i agree and accept the amount of people who like scat or shota scenes is little and isn't the majority. I do not agree my games are focus on the scat scene. For statistic, none of my game has over 10% of events are about scat and even less for shota. There are different kinds of theme that are included in my games like monster, exhibitionist, rape, humiliation, tentacles, spanking, peep, lesbian...etc.
DeleteFrom my point of view, people are just overreacted on certain things that they don't like very much. While they see 1 scat scene out of 10, they will already think the game is all about shit but the fact is those scenes isn't the majority.
However, there is really not much i can do about it. One of the main interest for me to create my own adult rpg games is to create something to be less found and more unique than most of other rpg games we found on the internet. And the best thing i can do is to give the player an option to skip scat scene that they don't like.
I would always listen to advice on adding and improving different kinds of stuff. But i would say it is really harsh to tell the author about something the player dislike, so he or she mustn't add those things. I think it will narrow the creativity and uniqueness of the finished game.
If it is truly the main reason for the limited amount of patrons and supporters, i think i will just accept. I am creating events with different kinds of themes including light to hardcore to satisfy people with different interests. If people just stop playing because there are 10~20% scenes that they don't like and give up the 60% or above content he can actually like in a game, i think it is just sad but they do have their own choices.
Like myself, when i play most of the hentai games, i mostly find 30% or below for the scenes that i actually like but it just won't discourage me from playing it even there are scenes that i dislike. Scat or some other less found themes like shota are always part of world of hentai and there are people who actually likes them but it is just the number of them maybe few. But the thing that surprise me is the fact that people would give up most of the content to prevent some of the content they dislike.
It may be 10% but it isn't just that you don't like it. It's a turnoff for me seeing a woman take a shit. This games are on their core made for erotic reasons and While I can pretend that the childish silloutte you were using (in AA) is just a small adult and it's not in highschool but in college or something I can't pretend that she isn't taking a shit infront of me... Maybe you could -should you hang on to those scenes- make them even more avoidable for those who don't want them.
DeleteFor example: The scenes with the colleague in AA, make one version with piss/Scat and one where she has to masturbate, use a dildo or a sybian and so on.
1 Scat/Guro/Shota scene is too much for most people, including myself. It's either do what you want or what the consumer wants and most of the consumers don't want those themes in their H games. Until you do what the consumer wants you will continue to sell less than your friend. I find your 3D art and stories are better than your friend's game, but the unavoidable "turn off" scenes ruin your game.
DeleteI loved Agent Alona, until she started shitting and her partner's dick got chopped off. After I saw that I quit playing the game. So take my advice or you will continue to sell less, good luck.
DeleteThank you for your advice but i will just let it be and sacrifice the support to create what i want until one day i cannot continue anymore although it is not far.
DeleteI do what people want and i also do what people do not want but i hope they will at least find and enjoy what they want in my games previously. But from now on, i will consider if people want to play my games, you should able to take those scene. I will not tolerate people who play my games and keep complaining about those scenes while they just continue to play from SS1 to TGS, from TGS to AA when they already know there are scat scenes in them. It sounds shameless to me the more i hear about it.
For the scene you are talking about in AA, i believe you were given an question 'Should i use the toilet?' before the scene play and it is avoidable. If you chose 'yes', you should be prepared for the scene. And now, as you have already found my games are 'heavy' and i can tell you that it will be even worse if the same heroine appear for the second time like Sarah. I suggest you to stay away from it. Thanks.
So what if that friend of yours is better than you? We can't all be the best.
ReplyDeleteInstead of giving up or abandon SS2 to make a new game why don't you try to make the game better, learn with that friend of yours, see what can learn with him and make SS2 as good as possible.
Give colour to characters genitals like he did;
Improve your english;
Give options to skip scat scenes;
Talk about your game in hentai forums;
etc.
Keep looking for ways to improve. Never give up.
I don't easily get angry but what you are talking is like an insult to me. I have spent over 2 years trying to create games and i believe i have made improvement from game to game. I am now working for a full time even without reaching my targeted monthly donation to spend more time on the game and release more frequent updates hoping it will increase. I believe both our games require and can be improved. If the reason i am having a limited amount of patrons just because of scat scenes. It is like a tragedy to me and has enough reason to give up.
DeleteIf telling you to keep improving and doing a good job is an insult, well i don't know what to say.
DeleteIronically, i am trying to improve from time to time. It is either you have failed to notice that or the improvement isn't the aspect you want. People have their limit, if you just tell other to improve but do not even try to notice how hard a person have already paid. You are insulting him. But from your comment, i think it is the time to give up.
DeleteAs i see if you don't want to go away from scat stuff, then why complain that you didn't get enough support. People just don't want to support this probably. Choice is yours to give up or to make something else not only humaliation and scat. If you do not want to make something different and want to continue to make humaliating games, well then don't expect to get much support for such products. Choice is yours either games for people and get more money for it or games for yourself with your favorite scat etc but little money.
DeleteI am just asking why i am not getting good support because i find the amount of patrons isn't increasing but also decreasing and find out the two main reasons that people is turned off really by the scat scenes and don't actually like part 1 of SS2 because of the torture element. But after knowing it, i won't complain about it anymore.
DeleteI am creating games as it is my interest and at the same time it is my dream that i can earn a living with it. But if i cannot create what i want, i would rather stop. I wouldn't mind to add more stuff to get more support but not removing stuff that i want to create for it.
But one thing is i am disappointed with people as they have no trust on my game even they have tried my previous games. I believe if the game is completed and when they play it from the beginning to the end. It can bring the same feeling of my previous games. But people just stop support because part 1 being unfinished currently is not liked but cannot wait for 2 more months to judge when it is completed. From my opinion, there is event that isn't good alone but it will also add up the feeling for the whole game and thats why they exist in my game but may not be liked immediately.
And i am sorry that scat isn't my favorite theme but instead, it is just the thing that people hate most. So, i don't think the problem is on my side. What i feel is that it is more like a discrimination on you are being gay that your preference is wrong from other people's eyes until one day they can take it more easily.
Just like i said, i will let it be and continue to finish the major part of Sarah's side in part 1 in the next month. But there is some changes that i have planned to make, if it is not successful, i would just give up afterwards.
Combin, i didn't said any of that, i just said that you should keep improving and use some of your friends knowledge to improve even more. Just because i didn't said that you improved a lot during the years it doesn't mean i dont know it. Only an idiot can't see how much you've grown from game to game. You make awesome games and you like making them, don't give up.
ReplyDeleteI would surely be inspired and learn from him just like i play some other games from time to time. I am actually thinking about giving back the texture for penis when i have tried his demo. The blowjob scene is really good! And you can actually see it in my new previews, the zombie's penis do has the 'color' but waited to be fix for a better color that match their skin. But i just don't see by improving those stuff, it will make a large different to it because it isn't the main reason for being stuck.
DeleteThe point is if you are handicapped at the beginning, no matter how you improve, the amount of things you can achieve is limited. And i am really annoyed that you told to keep improving while i am trying to do it for the whole time and you just sounds like an idiot to me.
Did you really called me an idiot? wow... I haven't insulted you during our whole argument, i don't see any reason for you to call me an idiot. If you really think it's time to give up, do it, if that's what you believe.
DeleteI am not saying this line "Only an idiot can't see how much you've grown from game to game" is an insult. But normally if you are telling a person that has already tried hard for a few years working on the same thing again and again to improve and still cannot achieve his target. Telling him to keep improving is not going help but instead you are hurting him.
DeleteIf you have failed to notice my effort, you will be like the idiot like you said in your statement and thats why i said you sound like an idiot. If you have notice my effort and still saying it, you are hurting me and like i said it is more like an insult to me. I am sorry for the confusion.
it makes me really sad to hear ur having problems I really am excited to see all your content. i don't think i like any other developper as much as you.
ReplyDeletealso i would like to add if it wasnt for u alot of people would have never heard of your friends patreon
DeleteWhile I'm admittedly not a fan of the scat stuff, I think your games are very good, and the pace you work at is also very good. You stick to your work and get the products out pretty fast, imo. A lot of other H-game creators are understandably slow. I know it can be disheartening to be less successful on patreon than some of your peers, but your work is still great and you will have loyal supporters for a long time to come. :)
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm admittedly not a fan of the scat stuff, I think your games are very good, and the pace you work at is also very good. You stick to your work and get the products out pretty fast, imo. A lot of other H-game creators are understandably slow. I know it can be disheartening to be less successful on patreon than some of your peers, but your work is still great and you will have loyal supporters for a long time to come. :)
ReplyDeletefirstable you need to close this blog and post all your news in patreon that will get people attention because alot of people are donating just because they want to hear updates about the game so i think the best idea is to close this blog and post all your news in patreon just like james because when you post all your updates in the blog you ruin the suprise effect. and maybe i am the only guy that think that but you need to stop with the weird scenes and focus about more erotic scences stop with the bdsm it's ugly contect that alot of people are having an hard time to relate to this aswell the shits scences. And just for record You ARE AN AMAZING ARTIST KEEP UP WITH THE GOOD WORK
ReplyDeleteand the change the privacy on patreon that just donators could see the news about updates etc...
DeleteYour games are awesome.I can't wait to see the adventures of Sarah,Rachel and Alona. It would be pitty, not share the stories you have in your mind... About the donations, i would advice you to start a conversation at ryoani blog.People there may give you a good advice to raise up your funs and donations.
ReplyDeleteYour games are great and unique because they have good stories and levels of freedom, also it being in English makes it more fun to play as well compared other h-rpg games where you have to resort to machine translations or on rare occasions proper translations.
ReplyDeleteDon't hope you quit as that would be a real shame.
Never, do you hear, never give up! You are all very good at it, the game is really catchy! So why stop? If you like what you're doing does not make sense to stop! Furthermore you need to shove contrary forth as the train. I really hope you're not rushed and will, continue to delight their fans great games! НЕ СДАВАЙСЯ!
ReplyDeleteI think that the problem is mostly because of the minimum to support your project. Most of the guys that work on h-game, put a minimum of 1 dollar for the donations, while you have 5 dollars as minimum. With 1 dollars, you can have more people play and pay for your games. But the other reason is because of the torture and scat/pissing scene. Most of these things are not sexy and don't work for a guy who want to play and fap himself during the playthrough. But it's your style and all your games are similar, so it'll be stupid to change now. Try only to put the minimum for donations to 1 dollars to see if there will be changes
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